Bait Chasers and Mimics

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This is really starting to get on my nipples

Every lake has one, I don’t know if on your lake he sports a moustache but I am sure you have your own version of this archetypical non-creative primitive life form that lives in the lime scale below the rim of your toilet.

(as the Ballywillin assassin always says "never trust a man with a moustache")

This guy is following the guys around the lake who put the work in and apply a bit off bait or innovate . If one of the "master baiters" is on a peg one week or if a decent fish (or haul) is taken from a peg then you can be sure that this *&()^&^%£ is on that peg.

Don’t get me wrong here but nobody owns a peg or should expect to monopolise a peg and I am not putting down guys who fish singles (as I do myself on occasions) but to constantly follow guys who are putting the work in around the lake is really starting to get on everyone’s nerves.

Is this what carp fishing is about now?

Watch the guy who is having a little success and then mimic everything he is doing.

Is this something that is procreated within the carp rags to the point that we will have nothing but mimics and no true innovators?

This is another reason for guys not discussing tactics with others because there are so many mimics about.

Remember if you are watching the water and not the guy in the other bivvy then you might just have a little more success and you may even be able to take a little pride in the fact that you achieved your goal using your own savvy.

So does anyone have any tricks for these guys?

The next time this prcik is watching through the bino’s let him know what you think of him by standing up straight extend your arm and raise your middle finger.

Let’s all rally now and join me in saluting the mimic.

If you’re a mimic please f**k off and take up golf (I have nothing against golfer’s)

Just incase you do not know which lake i am on at the moment

Its Ballywillin

I'm getting into posting Joined : 15 Jun 2007 Posts : 89

yes one springs to mind straight away. chasing last weeks buzz all the time. but the chance of swims fishing there heads off two weeks in a row are slim. but this never stopped this angler. did you ever get the feeling your been haunted, well i have by the ghost of decoy .but he now resides in maynooth

I'm getting into posting Joined : 22 Feb 2008 Posts : 75

In my opinion 99.9% of carp anglers are mimics and I include myself in that. Does anyone side hook boilies anymore or do we all mimic some sort of version of the hair rig? In the winter do we use bright single pop ups because through extensive trials its proven to be succesfull? No, we do it because we've read it in magazines. Ever used the stick method wild man? If you have then you are apeing that spazzer Helliuer. Use a throwing stick maybe?? then you are apeing some guy who picked up a bit of conduit one day and discovered he could fling his boilies out into the pond. I could literaly go on and on and on. It once was a sport where innovation was everything, making bits and pieces of tackle was commonplace back in the day, now we have credit cards and the tackle box catalouge. If you want to see how uniform carp angling has become, fish Ballinafid on a busy weekend. Last time I fished it I counted 22 lines that were stretched across the lake, all fishing to the far bank with the odd rod chucked in the margin. Id estimate the vest majority of those rods had a source boilie on the end. Needless to say shag all was caught. When people go to france id say countless hours are spent on the internet finding out what swims are best and what bait works best, and quizzing anyone who's ever fished the lake so that when you arrive, in all fairness, the hard graft has been done already through someone elses trial and error. Add on the use of baitboats and row boats and you are left with a sport that has very very little skill involved in my opinion. The real skill now lies on who can get the most time off work to enable themselves the most time on the bank.

Subject: Re: Bait Chasers and Mimics Thu Jul 24 2008, 16:57

I agree, we are all mimics, use a rig/tactic etc that someone else thought of... but you can still try innovate with baits & try new things while on the bank....
I think the point the Wild man was saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that these motherf**kers come along after someone has had a good day and the swim is fed or if a swim is fishing well and just sets up to catch off your hard graft and efforts.... that in my opinion too is piss poor form.. I used to do (not a much now) alot of canal fishing.... I deliberately used to flatten the bank and cut out swims in the reeds to keep people away (especially FNs) from where I was catching and within a week someone is parked in the spot cause they think someone fished there recently... (and therefore baited the swim etc...).. wouldn't occur to them to apply the same effort themselves

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John I mean no offence here and without giving too much away about how I fish

you know f**k all about me or how I go about forming a strategy for a venue or a particular situation.

Bet all you want but I am not talking about re-inventing the wheel here and as for buying mag's - I need a new bed chair so I might borrow a mag of someone to see who has the cheapest price. I honestly cannot remember the last time I bought a bit of carp porn and my reasons are twofold.

It’s the same crap every month
They don’t fish my venue

I fish an Irish Lough at the moment and maybe the guys on the fid can back me up on this but it’s a totally different experience to what the English anglers are doing (pits don’t even come close)

Bright popups in winter? where the f**k are you fishing m8 cos my fish aint that f**king stupid.

Actually truth be known I have never scored with a pineapple hooker

I'm getting into posting Joined : 22 Feb 2008 Posts : 75

Sorry if you percieved that I was having a go, trust me, when I have a go you will know all about it wild boy. Im sure whatever strategy you decide to deploy envolves hugh amounts of skill and cunning not to mention hugh dollops of northern innovation.

On the pop up thing, I think ur just plain wrong(again just my opinion) ive found that pop ups are a godsend in the early part of the year but as summer kicks in they tend to lose some of thier effectiveness. There again, what do I know, ive never had the oppertunity to fish for those ultra smart ballywillan monsters, and to think i thought the place was an overstocked puddle. Would be interested to know what the lake record is up there? Those fast growing Simmo's carp must be heading towords forty pounds at this stage. No?

Last time I float fished for em was the last time I fished Ballinafid, last week I think, looked at a starlight until I needed sleep, then just plonked the match rod on an alarm.

You must be hauling fish at your ''lough'' seen as your so keen to hold on to all those nuggets. I wonder how many of them are honestly your little brainchildren.

Specimen Hunter Joined : 04 Oct 2006 Posts : 449

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Had a 13lber this year

Damo ya pot noodle

Subject: Re: Bait Chasers and Mimics Thu Jul 24 2008, 20:33

Simmo,s in the 'willin?? What have I missed. Shocked

Puddle ?? It's a feckin big one Shocked

How about a charity boxing event....Wild 'boy' McCart vs John 'Beef and Tomato' F

Specimen Hunter Joined : 04 Oct 2006 Posts : 449

It looks a lovely lake, does your mom let you night fish it?

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the forum nazi's got me Crying or Very sad

I don't post much Joined : 03 Jan 2007 Posts : 32

I must be one of the very few people that has actually written more about carp fishing than I have read. I can recall countless discussions with Paisley Et Tal groupies and such like on various aspects of carp fishing. It was simply any ideas I had based on experience of the waters I was fishing along with Diving some of the waters in question to see if my theories stacked up and putting them down on paper, perhaps such theories were not entirely original in their thinking maybe more an alteration, but be rest assured the thinking angler whether it be carp fishing or any other aspect of the sport will always be catching whilst other anglers around sit in glorious ignorance and reassure themselves that the latest all singing all dancing bait along with super dooper rig will catch the fish for them and if a guy who is somehow or other catching when they are not, be once again rest assured, excuses will be made followed often very quickly by to which tree are you casting, or perhaps you couldn't get us a bag of those could you?
People will think and do the work,in many respects quite often I would have gauged how a water was fishing by other anglers fishing it at the time,if they were catching and I wasn't then I was doing something wrong and that was for me part of the thought process.
Anyway, you can tell I have been out carping recently hence this post.
Wildman, don't get too frustrated, use the sheep to your advantage.

Subject: Re: Bait Chasers and Mimics Fri Jul 25 2008, 02:00

I'm getting into posting Joined : 15 Jun 2007 Posts : 89

i invented carp

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Im always frustrated......

Bye all